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	<title>Comments on: You Never Call Your Old Graphing Calculator Anymore</title>
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		<title>by: Vince</title>
		<link>http://rift.org/1128/2006/08/you-never-call-your-old-graphing-calculator-anymore/#comment-1734</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Man, I used the graphing functions on my 85 to get around some of the trickier problems.  Technically, it wasn't cheating, but I found it offered some rather "creative" means to an end.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think TI donated the calculators to the schools in the same way it was a "requirement" in CS1501 that all students learn the basics of Microsoft Office on donated software -- which, oddly, gets MS more points in the "we donate money" headlines.  More people went out to buy TI-85s after using them in class so they could use the bricks at home and TI was happy to pull in the cash.  I still love my '85 and, for awhile, carried it with me and used it in some USF classes.  I got really weird looks for that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;RPN was impressive and made sense, but I never took the time to learn it and never invested in an HP.  Do their calculators even recognize RPN input these days?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I used the graphing functions on my 85 to get around some of the trickier problems.  Technically, it wasn&#8217;t cheating, but I found it offered some rather &#8220;creative&#8221; means to an end.</p>
<p>I think TI donated the calculators to the schools in the same way it was a &#8220;requirement&#8221; in CS1501 that all students learn the basics of Microsoft Office on donated software &#8212; which, oddly, gets MS more points in the &#8220;we donate money&#8221; headlines.  More people went out to buy TI-85s after using them in class so they could use the bricks at home and TI was happy to pull in the cash.  I still love my &#8216;85 and, for awhile, carried it with me and used it in some USF classes.  I got really weird looks for that.</p>
<p>RPN was impressive and made sense, but I never took the time to learn it and never invested in an HP.  Do their calculators even recognize RPN input these days?</p>
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		<title>by: Adam</title>
		<link>http://rift.org/1128/2006/08/you-never-call-your-old-graphing-calculator-anymore/#comment-1731</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah -- but can the TI-68 play techno out its data-link jack?  ;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In retrospect it seems silly for high school kids to be using graphing calculators.  Or maybe anybody, for that matter.  My recollection of the parts of class that utilized them was that they were very tedious, with the teacher guiding us through it at the lowest common denominator speed.  "Ok, now press 2nd.  Yes... 2nd.  Ok... everybody got that?"  Perhaps it's an effective way of letting kids see an "Oooh! Neato!" aspect of the Math, that an expression like y=x^2 yields a nice curve, but aside from visualizing curves, why is this necessary?  If only some math teachers read this blog, all could be explained!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, datamath.org says the introductory price for the TI-85 was $130 in 1992 -- about the same as today's going rate for TI-86's.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8212; but can the TI-68 play techno out its data-link jack?  ;)</p>
<p>In retrospect it seems silly for high school kids to be using graphing calculators.  Or maybe anybody, for that matter.  My recollection of the parts of class that utilized them was that they were very tedious, with the teacher guiding us through it at the lowest common denominator speed.  &#8220;Ok, now press 2nd.  Yes&#8230; 2nd.  Ok&#8230; everybody got that?&#8221;  Perhaps it&#8217;s an effective way of letting kids see an &#8220;Oooh! Neato!&#8221; aspect of the Math, that an expression like y=x^2 yields a nice curve, but aside from visualizing curves, why is this necessary?  If only some math teachers read this blog, all could be explained!</p>
<p>Also, datamath.org says the introductory price for the TI-85 was $130 in 1992 &#8212; about the same as today&#8217;s going rate for TI-86&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>by: Chris C.</title>
		<link>http://rift.org/1128/2006/08/you-never-call-your-old-graphing-calculator-anymore/#comment-1730</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;I went through a couple &lt;a HREF="http://www.datamath.org/SCI/Modern/TI-68.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;TI-68 calculators&lt;/a&gt; during my 10 years in and out of Georgia Tech.  As the datamath.org site says:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"The TI-68 lets you enter an expression into the entry line the same way as you would write it. You can move throught the entry line to review or edit any part of the expression before evaluating it."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I routinely sneer[ed] at the guys spending three digits for their HP calculators, or even you guys with graphing TIs.  For 99% of the work my $60 TI-68 was faster, including at basic programming.  For the 1% of graphing and fancier programming, use your PC at home and quit dicking around with your calculator during lecture, young man!  Oh and spare me the tears when you lose it :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went through a couple <a HREF="http://www.datamath.org/SCI/Modern/TI-68.htm" rel="nofollow">TI-68 calculators</a> during my 10 years in and out of Georgia Tech.  As the datamath.org site says:</p>
<p>&#8220;The TI-68 lets you enter an expression into the entry line the same way as you would write it. You can move throught the entry line to review or edit any part of the expression before evaluating it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I routinely sneer[ed] at the guys spending three digits for their HP calculators, or even you guys with graphing TIs.  For 99% of the work my $60 TI-68 was faster, including at basic programming.  For the 1% of graphing and fancier programming, use your PC at home and quit dicking around with your calculator during lecture, young man!  Oh and spare me the tears when you lose it :)</p>
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		<title>by: Adam</title>
		<link>http://rift.org/1128/2006/08/you-never-call-your-old-graphing-calculator-anymore/#comment-1728</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;There is Graphing Calculator, from &lt;a href="http://www.nucalc.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Pacific Tech&lt;/a&gt;.  At $100 it seems a bit steep, however.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Two of my coworkers (Chap among them) swear by the &lt;a href="http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~mleach/revpol/" rel="nofollow"&gt;RPN&lt;/a&gt; method.  I can see the appeal, but it never caught on for me.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for sound on the data jack -- I had no idea this was even possible, but &lt;a href="http://www.ticalc.org/pub/85/asm/sound/zshell/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here's a program&lt;/a&gt; that claims to do it!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is Graphing Calculator, from <a href="http://www.nucalc.com/" rel="nofollow">Pacific Tech</a>.  At $100 it seems a bit steep, however.</p>
<p>Two of my coworkers (Chap among them) swear by the <a href="http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~mleach/revpol/" rel="nofollow">RPN</a> method.  I can see the appeal, but it never caught on for me.  </p>
<p>As for sound on the data jack &#8212; I had no idea this was even possible, but <a href="http://www.ticalc.org/pub/85/asm/sound/zshell/" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a program</a> that claims to do it!</p>
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		<title>by: Vince</title>
		<link>http://rift.org/1128/2006/08/you-never-call-your-old-graphing-calculator-anymore/#comment-1727</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Out of curiosity, do you have an equivalent for OS X that graphs and such?  My old TI-85 is still around and still sees some abuse -- I love the scrolling screen that allows you to see your entry history.  I never did like that damn backwards HP input method and the main restriction on the '85 is that it feels so bulky, so heavy, so huge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I never did find the rumored app for ZShell that produced music through the data jack to headphones.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity, do you have an equivalent for OS X that graphs and such?  My old TI-85 is still around and still sees some abuse &#8212; I love the scrolling screen that allows you to see your entry history.  I never did like that damn backwards HP input method and the main restriction on the &#8216;85 is that it feels so bulky, so heavy, so huge.</p>
<p>I never did find the rumored app for ZShell that produced music through the data jack to headphones.</p>
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